Left Handers and Fountain Pens

I'm a leftie. I love fountain pens. I don't currently use one though.

One of the reasons is that I don't write with the crabbed-over left-hander style. I hold my writing implements like a right-hander and thus drag my hand across what I'm writing.

This is one reason why I hate cheap ball point pens. They always smear across the page.

I guess my question is - how many lefties out there use fountain pens? What have you discovered that works best for you? Are there quick-drying inks? Do you turn the paper sideways? Do you write in that crabbed-over leftie style?

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This brings back bad

This brings back bad memories of having to write with a fountain pen in elementary school back in the 50's.

I dealt with it by turning the paper sideways, and still do so all the time, so I write from top to bottom (left edge is at the top, right edge at the bottom). It works for ball point pens, gel, pencils, etc. Have tried to learn to write with the paper oriented normally, but haven't managed to do it.

Yes, try changing directions

I write left-handed, but I don't have the hooked grip. I'd suggest the same thing Anonymous does, turning your paper so it's 90 degrees over to the right. See if that lines up better with your hand so you don't end up smearing ink everywhere.

You might look for other suggestions at http://www.nibs.com/Left-hand%20writers.htm .

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I'm also a lefty, and I do

I'm also a lefty, and I do write with the crabbed style. I can't stop myself now, although I've tried as it does lead to cramping during exams and such.

With a fountain pen, or other pens which tend to bleed not only onto the page but all over the side of my hand, I tend to turn the page too, but in the opposite direction to the others. I'll have the top left corner down and the top right up, so I'm writing at a 45 degree angle up the page. It keeps my hand and wrist out of the ink pretty well.

Leftys and pens

Ultravox, I don't understand this part of your message:

...One of the reasons is that I don't write with the crabbed-over left-hander style. I hold my writing implements like a right-hander and thus drag my hand across what I'm writing....

I too am a lefty. My paper is slanted slightly to the right. I hold my writing implements like a right-hander -- that is, with my entire hand well below the tip of the pencil or pen. No part of my hand ever touches what I have written.

Ultravox, if you drag your hand across what you are writing, that tells me that your grip is at least partly crabbed. Can you explain further? Thanks.

Leftys and pens - one more thing

I am the same Anonymous as in the post immediately above. After posting I looked at the nibs website in the preceding post. FYI, illustration #1 is exactly how I hold my pen or pencil.

Maybe other leftys could explain why they curl their hands around, when this other position is most practical.

Guess I was confused

Well, that's interesting. I just wrote out a bit and realized that you are right, I'm not dragging my hand across the writing.

I looked at that URL and I am an underwriter, but I don't slant my paper. Funny that they don't have a picture of that. I always knew I was unique. :)

So, where did I get this idea that I dragged my hand across what I was writing? That's an interesting question. I distincly recall using ball point pens and having the heel of my hand smear the ink.

Perhaps I have changed my writing style since then?

In any case, I'm going to spend some time at that site mentioned above and see what they say.

It's interesting to me how many people chimed in on this topic who are lefties. I wonder what percentage of users of the DIY Planner system are lefties.

Here's another leftie question: what do you do about the binder rings being in the way? I find myself removing the pages to write on them. Annoying, and slow, but it works.
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binder rings (lefties)

(same Anonymous as above)...Well, the binder rings aren't in my way because I'm an underwriter! Until reading posts like this I hadn't realized how lucky I am. Not to be smug or anything, but underwriting does avoid a bunch of problems.

distinguishing anonymouses

Sorry, there are two Anonymouses in this thread. I (the underwriter) am the second one. Leap before you look, I always say (and live to regret it).

Heh. I Had to look at the

Heh. I Had to look at the URL to figure out what underwriter and overwriter referred to. Turns out I'm an underwriter who's writing slants to the left or stands straight (it varies depending on a variety of factors, including the pen or pencil I'm working with). Most often I find that shoddy quality of paper or pen can ruin the delight of writing, so I carry my fountain pen with me. The pen is a Pilot Birdie - small, lightweight, perfectly balanced, comes in a very fine nib (I don't like thick lines)and comes with a converter so you can use cartridges or any bottled ink of your choice.

I have a tough time with smaller binders because of my hand position, so I deal with the problem by a/ avoiding the traditional 3-ring binders and opting to use the Levenger Circa system, and b/ using notebooks and artists pads that lie flat.

Lefties and Fountain Pens

I'm an overwriter who uses the Pilot Varsity disposable fountain pen and I find that I write at about the right speed for the ink to pretty much be dry by the time the bottom of my hand drags over it. I highly recommend the Varsity; I get mine at office depot's website and order about 5 at a time. If I lose one, it's only a $2.50 loss.

Bought Some - I Love Them

I bought some of these pens the other day and they are great! I got a three pack (one each of black, blue and purple) for $6.50 at a local Office Depot.

It was kind of amusing when I bought them because a friend and I had stopped in over lunch and we stood and stared at the wall-o-pens for at least five minutes looking for the Varsity pens and could not find them.

So I finally asked someone and she asked "Is that the one with the stripes?"

Since I had never seen one before (the barrel is striped) I told her I didn't know.

She walked over to the wall-o-pens, did a 180 degree turn and showed them to us. They were hanging on a shelf support directly behind us! (They were the only pens on that side of the aisle.)

I bought them and they are now my pen of choice to use in my planner.

Thanks for the tip!
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Southpaw and Fountain pens

I bought my Southpawed buddy a fine point Namiki vanishing point fountain pen from pilot after hearing him express the same concerns as yours. The Ultra fine nib allows the ink to dry before he smudges. He loves his new pen and has not had reoccurrence of smudging. You might also want to try using paper with a big more "tooth" but sometimes the ink bleeds. -j

I'm a lefty and grew up

I'm a lefty and grew up using the 'crabbed' hand style when writing cursive. But nowadays 99% of my writing is done on computer and the only time I ever write in cursive is writing my signature. Then, when I use a fountain pen, I have to be very careful and write slow to allow the ink to dry.

When I'm jotting notes on my hipster pda I print holding my hand straight like a right-handed person.

I too am a lefty and looking

I too am a lefty and looking at the nibs URL my writing resembles #6 (yes, paper straight, so the poster before is not unique ;-) ).

I used to use fountain pens, still love to do so, but gave up because of the smudges. I write too fast to let the ink dry. I prefer fineliners so I usually use those or gel pens with small tips.

When doing calligraphy I had a fountain pen set with slanted nibs. This worked fine because I never mastered it good enough to write fast.

So far the best I found is...

I'm a lefty smudge writer and a fountain pen fan because I write at a severe angle. I tried a few super quick drying inks but still smear them because the pad of my hand gets a little damp or sweaty after writing a few pages. So far the best ink I found is the Noodlers Baystate series of ink. It dries fast and is instantly waterproof. But it can be removed with bleach so don't sign you checks with it

Don't seem to have the problem

I am a leftie, but I have not noticed the smearing problem. I do not use the crab-over style but I do use a kind of hook that keeps the pen perpendicular to the page and that is why it does not smear. I must have adapted when I started using fountain pens years ago. I use Noodler's Ink almost exclusively. Don't know if that helps. Good luck!

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Seem to mirrior Right handers perfectly

I write as a lefty exclusively and other than a few smudges fountain or otherwise its normal. I do tend to tilt the paper 45degrees to the right writing top to bottom so to speak, but I hold the writing utensil an inch or so above the paper as habit so I wouldn't notice any uncomfortableness. It's got to be somthing I taught myself as I can remember NO one paying special attention to my left handedness in my schooling career.To note teaching oneself is a trait that is VERY admirable to left handers out there is the ability to mirrior our others and make it work for us as no one can sanely expect a right hander to be able to teach and understand us, but on a most rudimentry level. I will say to finish I can truly rotate the paper and continue to write as if the paper was never turned. Other than an odd slant here and there it's as if someone was writing left to right undisturbed. Let us all pray for those unfortunates whom had there left hand tied behind there backs and forced to write right in grade school
(my brother was one and he did get diagnosed as BI poler and was very gifted artisticly but deeply disturbed) maybe just maybe they shouldn't have done what they did as an expedient way to teach?? Ahhh history eh? Let me know if anyone else has any similar histories.